The Natalia Rose Podcast with Tommy DeVito

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome everyone. This is Tom DeVito. Tom DeVito has been committed to cleansing and to his hydrotherapy practice for over 30 years. So, 30 years of living the cleansing lifestyle and running colon hydrogen therapy clinics and offering these services, these precious services to his clients. In fact, Tom was one of my go to colon hydrotherapists for many years in New York City and he is widely celebrated among many of our audience as administering truly quantum shifting colonic sessions. So, I mean, you are just, you have always been the best. And I can vividly remember my sessions, truly quantum shifting. And Tom is one of the original crew with Gil Jacobs, back when I discovered Gil in his original clinic, Chakra 17, if I've got this right, on 34th street and the East river back in 2000 for me. But before that for you, I think you were like six or seven years ahead of when I even got there and discovered this work. So you have been doing this for a very long time. And it's not just your career as a colon hydrotherapist that I want to really spotlight today, but it's also your, your life in cleansing and maintaining it all these years, even as a drummer with a musician's lifestyle. So I think that's really, really compelling. So all that, you know, and, and you can find Tom now at DTX in New York City, which is on 54th street and 1st or 2nd Avenue [00:01:23] Speaker B: between 2nd and 3rd. DTX Gravity Colonics, I think is the search name. Like that'll get you them. DTX gravity colonics, yes, 54th between second and third. [00:01:36] Speaker A: And you have an Instagram page as well. [00:01:38] Speaker B: Yeah, have Tommy Decolonics on Instagram and TikTok where I, you know, I don't do what I'm supposed to do, but I try to do social media, you know, every now and then instead of every day, like I'm told I should. But yeah, funny. [00:01:53] Speaker A: I mean, we've got, we've got big work to, to do. Big, big stuff to move. [00:01:58] Speaker B: Yes. [00:01:58] Speaker A: Happy lifting. So. Wow. Well, this, I mean, just, just so everyone knows, this is really, really special for me because I've, I haven't seen Tom for so many years and we, I mean, I, I felt like you were so instrumental in my process all those years ago and I feel, yeah. Such enormous gratitude both for those years and for you being here now to talk about what's been going on the last 25 years. So, and, and so, so I guess with that we can start with. I feel like we should start with you just in your path and your journey and what brought you to the work and what. What. It also stirred you to commit to it and to commit to the path of healing for yourself and to share with others. [00:02:43] Speaker B: Keep me on track. Sometimes I go on tangents, like my teacher. So it's not unusual, but so I got into this work, I guess, essentially because I was at a young age, at 18, I got put on meds for life because I used to get grand mal seizures, right? So that's full on unconscious convulsions because I had some kind of neurological disorder. So at 18 years of age, I was put on the meds. And for 11 years, I lived that way. And, you know, I started to become curious about just reading about health. And I complained about a book that was, like, written by doctors and, like, kind of shrugged off health and was pushing meds and surgery. It was a horrible book. So I was complaining at it where I worked, and this woman gave me fit for life. And then food combining and juicing entered my life. And that was the thing that, like, made me go. That was like the first light bulb. I felt different. I felt better, and I did that. You know, food combining I had in 86, before I even did any of this, I had already given up red meat because my sister did, And I was like, oh, that sounds good. I'll do it with you. So at a young age, you know, 24 years old, I had given up red meat already. So by 89, they gave up chicken again, having nothing to do with this. This path, or at least I thought, you know, so anyway, I. I started doing that. I started to feel so much better, and I'd never really felt that good that I decided to take the next step. I called my friend. He recommended the Dao of health, Sex, and Longevity. I'm sure you know that book, and that was the one that really, like, knocked me off my feet because it talked in depth about colon cleansing. And I was like, okay, I need that. Something about that. I went to the health food store where I bought the book. I was given Gil's phone number. I called Gil. I got my first colonic with him. I ring the doorbell. He answers the door, and I believe a. A full Celtics uniform, basketball uniform, hair like this. It was insane. And during that colonic, I knew two things. I was like, I'm never gonna. Because I went four years. Oh, I forgot to add this G. Once I started doing the food combining, by 91, I gave up the meds. I got off slowly. I weaned off, and I went 4 years no meds for the seizures. No seizures. And I couldn't go longer than six months without the meds. So now, four years, no meds, no seizures. I get my first colonic. I'm like, I'm never getting another seizure as long as I live. And I'm always getting these. I'm always getting colonics. And I just fell in love with Gil. Like, I'm like, this guy is a lunatic in the best way. And he was. He's brilliant. So I just learned and listened. And that eventually led me to him saying I should become a colon therapist. Me thinking he's crazy. And me, of course, I was married at the time. I go home and I say, do you believe Gil thinks I should become a colon therapist? And her only response was, duh. And I was like, okay. All right. So that's. That's the story in a nutshell. [00:06:02] Speaker A: Wow, that's extraordinary. I mean, something like grand mal seizures, to be able to cure yourself of that and to be off those meds and freed of that prison sentence, that in of itself is extraordinary. [00:06:13] Speaker B: Yeah. So it's 35. It's 35 years. No meds of any kind. Like, I don't do meds. I don't do. Except if, you know, if I'm getting. But no meds, no insurance. Like, I'm a little. A little batty like that, but doesn't seem to serve. But anyway, I might have to get. [00:06:31] Speaker A: No, I'm the same way. I have. Like, it's. Yeah. I mean, I think. Look, I think if there's a situation where it has to happen, but that's. It will be. You know, it'll be a fluke. It'll be something that's not related to your internal workings, because at least you've got that much covered. And it's such freedom and liberation and empowerment to know you can live your life that way and. And be untouched by all the. The maladies. [00:06:53] Speaker B: I'm sorry. One of my brand ideas is radically independent. People talk about bloat and skin quality and restful sleep. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's all well and good. You will get all that. But do you want to heal the human body? Do you want to heal, like, really fix your health and get to the place where you don't need any kind of interaction with medical personnel. Like, you don't need to see doctors, because everything's working. That's what this work is truly about. [00:07:22] Speaker A: Radical independence, radical freedom. And, I mean, just. Just knowing that it's, you know, it's funny because people will often say, I'm sure you get this all the time. Like how. How do you not want to eat X, y or z thing? And how have you been able to do this for so long? Well, the payout. The payoff is so enormous that, you know, if you look at. If you weigh the two options, having, you know, living a life free of all these pains and these concerns and these attachments versus eating some things that might taste nice on the palate, but actually, ultimately, when you get away from them, you realize they're just overstimulating anyway, and there's greater satisfaction other things. But I would love to hear from you how you've been able to stay the path also, given that you have multifaceted, colorful life as a musician, too. [00:08:12] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay. So interestingly, it's so interesting that you reached out now, because I'm kind of. I came full circle in a way through this whole process right around Covid, where everything changed in my life. Both my parents passed during that period, and there was just a lot happening and getting locked in the house and not being able to work, not getting treatments, easing back from the raw diet, you know, which I always kept some cooked food. And as you will talk, you know, my music lifestyle has led me into areas that definitely are not part of my life anymore and doesn't serve a healthy lifestyle. So I shifted. But the whole idea for me was, like, when. When I had to adjust to what I was dealing with, I just started eating a lot of cooked food. And, you know, and then I got lazy, and it became steamed veggies and tofu. And I wasn't eating tofu and stuff like that. I put on a ton of weight. I think I made it over 200 pounds again, which is what I weighed nearly 200 when I first got into this. So now the reason why I love that, like, Claire reached out to me, which I thought was fascinating right now, the timing is because this might be relatable to people. Like, I never went off the vegan thing. I stuck with it. But I went junk food vegan. And. And I. And I watched the change. And what I noticed mostly was. And not to. I mean, listen, we're talking about cleansing. We have to talk about this. So was the. Let the. The lessening of the output from what I was eating and the increasing of the size of my body, whether it was fat or just expansion, you know, and that's what I. I noticed. And then, you know, now I'm talking three years ago, I go back and I go hardcore raw food for maybe two years. In those two years, maybe I ate a dozen cooked meals. But I went hardcore colonics as often as possible. I'm going to change this. I'm getting back to myself and nothing was really changing. And in fact, I literally just felt myself continuing to grow. And I'm like, I'm going to explode, you know, it was insane. And what changed it was. And I think you might appreciate this. Remember we used to put food grade hydrogen peroxide in the tank. I hadn't used it for years and some idea popped into my head like I need that deep shift, you know, that deep release. And I started using it in the first tank a little bit, little bit. And I got the breakthrough I needed. And then my colonics became far more productive. And that's when everything shifted and the weight started to come off. And then most recently going through another transition with workplaces, I was kind of stuck. I was running left and right, doing whatever and one meal a day, couldn't even make a salad someday. So how to eat a cooked meal, whatever, but barely ate and then kind of lost the rest of the weight. And now I'm like, okay, now I could function again. But it's a crazy thing because the only thing that worked was when I call and I'm so glad to be here and talk to you about this. The only. I hear this everyone talking about biohacking online and I laugh at it all. And I don't want to offend anyone or make anyone wrong. I really don't. Because seeking health is loving and good and positive. No problem with however we seek it. However all this biohacking stuff is, is, is unforeseen risk. People have no real understanding what that's going to bring. And you want the only real biohack we have the secret. I know you do. I know I do. We learned it from Gil and Eric and all the greats. Keep the waste out of the colon and put fresh juice in the body. Eat meals and proper food combination, what goes in comes out an equal or greater amount. When you're on a real cleansing diet, right? This much food will get you that much waste, you know, and if, if we're, if we're doing that three meals in, three craps out. That's the magic. That's the whole game. Which is why I got out of trying to guide people dietetically for a while. Because it's just like almost what we eat is important. But if you are passing what you are taking in, you're way Ahead of the game. Way ahead of the game. Three meals in, three out. You're good. Anyway. [00:13:01] Speaker A: Yeah, no, it's true. I always say the name of the game is how much waste can you release, not how perfectly can you eat. That's really, really cool that the hydrogen peroxide was your breakthrough, and this audience is familiar with using it even in their home enemas and is schooled on proper quantities, which, of course, super important. We don't want him burning their anal passages there, but I've done it. Yeah, no, we all. We all have gone a little too far with it and learned the hard way, as Gil used to call it. Guppy rectum. Yeah, but. But to have that breakthrough and to feel yourself coming back to yourself and to get your vibe back, you must have just. You must have felt you lost yourself, and you must have just felt. You must have been able to feel yourself coming back to your home vibe. [00:13:54] Speaker B: Yeah. It's interesting because during the. The. All that. That period, it was like, the word that I think about is sluggish and pain. Like, I started to feel pain in some of my joints. I moved slower. I felt old. I actually felt my age or. Or what I thought must be what people my age feel like, because I never felt that, you know, and. And even when the weight wasn't coming off, but the. I was really living the life. I felt the light return. You know, I felt it come back, but I still didn't actually fully. I wasn't fully in it. Like, I. Like just the passage through, you know, the. The detoxing. Even though I. I tend to not use that term so much as I. I like to use depolluting. Like, the more I depolluted the bloodstream and. And. And the sewers, you know, the bowel, as I depolluted. Right. And it's funny because some people will get on the table for a Polonic and they'll say, are the toxins coming out? And because you know me, I'm pretty colorful and I like to shake things up all the time, I say, yeah, so is the. So is the shit, you know, so is the crap or whatever. Because we could say toxins, and it's a polite little way to discuss it. But when we get down to it, if you take out the crap, the poop, whatever word, you're comfortable. Keep in mind that it is that and the gas pressure that stays locked in the body, that is the root of all illness. Like, it's the opening line to, like, what would be the basis of Our work, which is the mucus diet healing system, right, that's the opening line, is all disease, no matter what medical science gives it is constipation. It starts with that. And then everything. Like my weight gain would have led to illness ultimately, right? And I was starting to have skin conditions and all kinds of weird things. I was. I was experiencing life as somebody, even though I ate, you know, technically. Oh, it's all vegan, you know. Oh, must be healthy. No, rice isn't healthy. You know, finding balance in the diet is. Is important because a lot of people want to be like, all or nothing. And like you said, and Gil says, you know, what we take out of the body is far more important than what we put in. And that's, to me, the greatest secret, the greatest biohack. Clean the colon, it is a cheat. It's a cheat. If you can clean your colon, you're going to feel better, you're going to be better, you're gonna. You. After every colon, the bloodstream is cleaner, the tissues are cleaner, and the cells have an opportunity to be produced cleaner. Like, literally, we cleanse to the cellular level. [00:16:47] Speaker A: As you know, it's the best. I wouldn't. I don't know what would have become of me if I had discovered it. I'm just like. My gratitude is endless every day. It's like, I'm just so grateful. And I know that I don't have anything else, you know, to this day I. I have like, it's. It's the one thing I do and I don't do. I don't have to do procedures. I don't have to get stuff injected into my skin. I've never done anything. I haven't, you know, so much as had a deep peel or anything like that. It's all about the internal work, and it just works. And it's. It's remarkable how extensive it is and how all these years later, I'm still. I'm still doing it, but. And I mean, I'm still doing it, meaning that I'm still doing the colon irrigation aspects because people often ask me, well, you know, does there come a time when you don't need it anymore? But then it's like, look around. Even what we're breathing is so polluted. We're breathing heavy metals, we're breathing forever. Chemicals, it's all coming in. So my theory is, it's like a longitudinal study. I want to prove that it's decay that makes us age. So if we're going to remove the decay, we're removing the rot and all these substances that are developing within that, including the pathogens, noxious gases, the parasites, the fungus, then theoretically we're going to certainly age much slower. But maybe if we didn't come in with such a mess from all our crazy lineage, we would live like Methuselah for hundreds and hundreds of years. And it's not about longevity. I like to call it long levity. It's about being the aliveness while you're alive. So it's not about how long can we stay alive. Like let's, you know that Brian Johnson, who's all about like, don't die. Like yeah, it's okay to die. It's like just make sure you live first. [00:18:28] Speaker B: Right, right. Find, find the, the joy and the light and, and the goodness of life. You know, like to me the whole. Gil. Oh man, Gil, the lines that would come out of his mouth over the years. But when we were trying to market Chakra 17, which is the first place I ever worked, became partners with him and you know, and Joyce and Cindy and the funniest thing was he was like one of his lines was at Chakra 17 because like Jim's would, would, would make a line like we'll make you lean and mean, you know, and Gil's line was a Chakra 17, we won't make you lean and mean, we'll make you lean and happy. And like it's hahaha, it's a joke. But there's, there's something that people don't get like. And look, you know, I'd like to be less judgmental but like if I'm walking through Manhattan, which I'm there most days, I can look at people and I could just see that there's such a lack of oxygen in the blood and, and freedom and joy and you know, and it's like, I'm not trying to say one life is better than the other. We all have our problems. Everybody's got their suffering in whatever form. But not, not having stuff move as it's supposed to move out of the body is to me, as you say, decay and rot. That's what our, that's what fuels everything. And the thing that makes our lifestyle so like unmistakably different and, and unarguably true is that in the absence of that waste, the body isn't surviving and keep and maintaining and holding back. It's like if you're a doorman, you don't want to have to hold back a crowd while letting in people. You just want to Focus on the job of. So, like, when the body's not constantly trying to keep the poison at bay and keep the body okay, you know, then it can just do everything at a higher level. The liver operates better. Everything. The kidneys are free to filter. And, like, I've noticed that even in my. Even in those dark years where I went crazy with the cooked food and when, you know, I was drinking, I brought alcohol into my lifestyle again, having given it up for years and years, and then for whatever reason, and Covid. Sip of this, a sip of that, and the alcohol nearly ruined me. And we could talk about that. I mean, when I say I was drinking, I was having this much in a. Of tequila in a glass and thinking, oh, it's only liquid. And not considering the poisonous aspect of what that liquid does and the aging effects of it. And it's just. It's such a dramatic thing. So, you know, and that came. And see, I'm doing the tangent thing, but hang with. [00:21:30] Speaker A: Great. I love this. Talk about it. I want to hear everything. [00:21:33] Speaker B: Sure. I was, you know, using the alcohol a lot for the. For the music. Like, hey, we're doing this big show. I'm a little uptight. Let me have a sip and take the edge off and dip before a sip in the middle, a sip at the end. And then before you know it, I'm having two, three drinks and a night. I won't drink for another month or three weeks or a week or two days, but it's there, and it's in the lifestyle. And then, so for me, back in 2018, I was invited to learn about plant medicine. And that was something that I never thought I would get into. And that whole experience of, like, really meeting myself in a way that I haven't been, like, I've never seen is the thing. Oddly enough, in 2018, like, within months of having done ayahuasca ceremonies, I got reconnected to this work on such a deep level that it brought me into doing the work. Excuse me, Doing the work differently. Where I started to bring in, like, using the client's body and pressure points, which was causing these radical, like, big releases, like, super deep. And you say quantum shifts. It's like, yeah, like, these were colonics that, like, the greatest ones I'd ever given. Like, the one. Oh, my God, you know, the Guild. Look at this. Having this, you know, all that, like, better than anything I'd ever seen. And they would shift people so dramatically that I'd be like, go home, Take it easy. Drink a juice, get some Rest, you'll be okay tomorrow. Like heavy duty shifts. So. So the ayahuasca reconnected me to the work. And this was like right during the period where I was kind of. I had just closed release. I was with Mike at vitality. I had just gotten to through the depression of closing release. And here I am working at this place and everything starts to do really, really well. My health is thriving, everything is great. Covet happens by 2020 and everything just falls apart. But by 2021, 2022, I had, I had a. I was at a ceremony and he talked about the leader of the ceremony, talked about, you know, how after the ceremony you don't drink, you don't have dairy, you don't have fried foods. You take it easy for a little bit, let the medicine do the work, don't smoke marijuana. And for alcohol he would say wait three, four days for that. Wait three, four days for that. And then he goes for alcohol, maybe wait 75 to 100 years. And everybody laughed and haha. But he started to say like with COVID everyone listened. It killed about at the time, 600,000 people at the time. And we wore the masks and we distance and the shots and whatever. He goes and alcohol kills millions of people every year and everyone partakes in it. And that clicks something in my head and I was like, I'm done and I haven't touched it since and I will not in this lifetime. Like that for me is now like the vegan lifestyle, right? There's no going back. I'm not going to go and have a piece of shrimp, you know, and, and so that's where it's funny how all the different disciplines and, and, and experiences, because that's all this life is us here to have experiences, learn and grow and expand our consciousness. And, and for me, these, all these things played together and brought me like back to me back to like the hardcore lifestyle, the one that works for me, you know, the one that keeps me alive, happy and healthy and light and free. You know, like as, as I approach 70, like I'm in that decade, as I approach 70, like I'm not in fear of like, oh, like what, what happens when. And if. And none of that. I'm just like, you know what I'm thinking? I can't, I can't retire because I'm gonna live so long. I'm gonna have to keep funding my life. You know, it's funny. [00:26:02] Speaker A: But anyway, yeah, so wow, what a wonderful story. All those insights are precious, pure gold. So what is your Routine. Now, what is your daily intake look like? And how frequently do you. Colon irrigation device? [00:26:14] Speaker B: Any given day is typically not a lot of food. And I love food. I'm not. I am not someone who believes in restriction in any conceivable way. If you saw my salad bowl, you'd call it a feeding trough. It's, you know, it's this big square monster. It's about that deep, you know, so I like a big salad, whatever. But in. In spring and summer, I'm inclined to have some fruit in the day at some point. Typically no earlier than 11. Often not until mid to late afternoon. Some days I'll have one or two pieces of fruit if I have any food at all. Then I come, I have a juice, typically. Although in all this transition and madness that I'm running around doing, juice just falls by the wayside because it's like I can't add. I can't do it all. So it's like, all right, juice slips. And I feel the difference without the juice. Like, to me, the juice is the light. The juices is the real fuel. That's the real deal. And we could talk about that, you know, why can't I just eat it? It's a huge difference. But. But anyway, so, yeah, in light of all that is typically juice, fruit and a salad, that's pretty much it. And my colonics, when I. When I have full access to something, like if I'm not renting someone's space and using their materials, which right now I currently am, I'll do it, you know, on. On a day where I feel it's appropriate, like, I see enough people. If I'm just seeing one or two people, I may not do it. Like, just to not take advantage of a situation. But typically, in my opinion, why wouldn't I get on the colonic table? And I tell people this, and they don't. They don't get it. So on the diet, I could eat one salad at the end of the day. Not. Sometimes I do like a cabbage kind of thing. Just shredded cabbage, a little carrot, dress it up and eat that with avocado or something. Sometimes it's a big kale, romaine extravaganza, right? But I'll eat that one meal, maybe one or two pieces of fruit. And then the next day, I could have three, four or more bowel movements in that day. And then I'll be at work. And before I get on the colonic table, I always have a seat on the toilet. Get out, whatever's right there, get on the table and get out more. And this is what people don't get. How much waste is, is like in the body at any given point. And you know, it's like we get it out a lot and, and so we understand the feeling and sort of being on, on the side of I need to release and then that other side. And I'm sure everyone in your community that's practicing this gets this, but it's the whole rest of the world with the, the carnivore and the GOP ones and the, the whole other world that I think is, is dramatically missing the point. Like Eric says, this is the only truth. You know, this is it. And that's why I'll never go anywhere else. Like I'll never change my philosophy. I'll never, you know, oh, you know, I'm going to try out that carnivore thing. Although I tell you this, you were talking about the, the sort of romanticizing of the diet. Are you, are you hip to Dave Portnoy? The guy, he does bar the guy, Dave Portnoy, he does this one bite thing. He goes around to famous pizzerias like New York Pizza and like whoever claims to have great pizza, he goes Connecticut claims Brooklyn, Queens, Manhattan, whatever. And he does this one bite thing. And of course it's way more than one bite, but the crispness of the crust and then it looks so good and like the idea like to me of like, like being vegan for the rest of my existence, which in this life I, I don't plan on changing that. But man, when I watch him eat that pizza, it looks so damn good. But the thing that I remember too is always having a stuffy nose, always having a cold, always feeling inflamed, you know, just not having this kind of freedom. So it's a trade eat for the taste buds or eat for the fuel or the entertainment. As I put it, you, you can eat for entertainment where you could eat to sustain your body and then learn how to make that food enjoyable. Which as you clarified before, you have to transition off the over stimulating taste bud chemical, you know, over sweetened, salted, etc foods and then the natural foods start to really taste like something, you know. [00:31:07] Speaker A: Yeah. And when you get all that stuff out of your bloodstream because it's out of your tissues, you're. You don't have the same hankering for those things anymore. And you actually love the taste of a cucumber and a tomato and fresh lemon juice and it just like that starts to really appeal. And if you reach that sweet spot where you love what you're consuming and you don't have to look nostalgically on what you're not having. Like, you've been there, you've done that, you had it. I mean, sometimes tell people, like, when I was living in New York, before I got into the cleansing lifestyle, I went to the best restaurants all over the world, really, but in Paris, in London, in New York, in Los Angeles, everywhere. I know what it's like to eat all of those things. I know what the chocolate ganache tastes like. I know what the filet mignon takes. Like, I'd done it, had it. I don't need to have it again, and especially not if it's going to, you know, remove this joie de vivre, that I get to experience this lightness, you know, and that's what I originally. That's when. When I saw that light in Gil, in you, in Cindy and Wendy, in and Joyce. I mean, that. That is what I was at. I didn't even. I don't think I registered consciously that that's what I was after. I wanted the transformation of the body. But because you were all exemplifying and embodying that higher light, there was this sense of, that's what my life is going to be like. That's what I'm going. You know, there was something I was unconsciously gravitating toward, and I came to understand that more and more as I began to embody it myself. So there is no way I would trade that specific, that spirit in for tasting things that might. Yeah, my. Momentarily tastes nice, but. But the quantity waste that you describe is unbelievable. And that's also part of why what I still. And you know, we're. We're pioneers in this in the sense that we've been doing this for so long and we're still doing it and we're still seeing the waste. So, you know, theoretically, 25 years of doing this, you know, I cleanse pretty frequently. It's like, how is it possible? Well, first of all, when we recapitulate all that we took in before we got into life, that's our cells and tissues saturated in, you know, whatever is from, like. For me, it was like lots of Milk Duds and Tootsie Rolls probably, and bagels and really think about what went in. And then of course, it's going to keep coming because it's lodged, you know, it's lodged in the brain, it's lodged in the joints. It's. It's, you know, deep in the deep in the tissues and that's the other thing. It's hard people get their heads around like how first of all how much waste there is, how it could have migrated to all these different places and how it could still be coming out 25 years later. But the beauty of it is I like to say like the first 10 years were cleansing what I consumed. And then the next second 10 years we're starting to get into the lineage, but I mean it's all happening at once. But it is remarkable just how much the body does hold onto and how you can be relatively petite even and have so much waste. So if you want to speak to that at all, because I think it's one of those things that I would love for someone else to answer to because it comes up. [00:34:17] Speaker B: So, you know, it's funny, I like, I like, I like this angle here, this, this whole detox thing. You know, when you first started your community, I think, I'm pretty sure I wrote a blog for the website that was hitting the invisible wall of detox or something like that. And like, I think a lot of people believe that this lifestyle requires like some kind of formula. Like I must do this and then that and this and that and then I'll achieve detoxification. And I'm like no, like, like detoxification is or, or cleansing, right? Deep tissue cleansing is, is very, very simple. Stop the input of the so called offending substance or, or acidic or poisonous, whatever word you want to use to describe it, dense, heavy, unagreeable, that products stop it from coming into the body. And the waste that it produced will then begin to like the associated waste will then begin to kind of loosen up in the body because the body's not in this constant, okay, I'm going to take this and process it and get it out. I don't have time to clean up the mess that it's leaving. But upon that substance, be it heroin, alcohol, cigarettes, steak, pork, you know, anything that we consume on a daily basis that like the body then becomes used to or, or dependent upon, then you know that waste begins to just naturally start to loosen up. Now because the, the heavier foods and the chemical drugs and this is, these are two very different applications how we cleanse the body. When there's drugs in the history is a whole drugs and alcohol, alcohol worse than even chemical drugs, whole other, you know, all this, it's a whole other process. But, but when we're cleansing the human body and we stop eating the red meat and the potato and this, the body doesn't need to produce that level of mucus anymore to protect us. Because as we know, when we put acidic product in the body, the body produces mucus as a protective factor. Right. So now the body doesn't need defense against that food. So now we're loosening up the solid waste, the gaseous waste is starting to expand. Re. Expand because it gets contracted as it stays in the body. And then all these substances are kind of available, but they're sticky and heavy and have been there for a while. And the body doesn't have the kind of freedom. It's all encumbered. The colon is encumbered with this waste. So that's where the colonics come in. And as we relieve the organ of that accumulated waste, then little by little, if it's gravity, colonics or a safe item, the. What's yours called again? The enlightener. [00:37:18] Speaker A: Lightner. [00:37:19] Speaker B: The enlightener, but. Right, I said it, right? [00:37:21] Speaker A: Yeah, perfect. [00:37:22] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. So like anything that's a safe way of getting waste out of the body that causes the body to do the work. If that's what's happening, then the body will ultimately. The colon will ultimately get its strength. Right. So it, it's, it's in the, it's in the getting rid of the diet that the whole process begins. But because of the years of accumulation, as you pointed out, the body has to do things with it. You know, like we find crates, we put some things in crates. We put the crate in the attic. You know, the body's kind of compartmentalizing and figuring out where it can put the waste. And it's everywhere. I, you know, my, my ex Ella, who lives in Australia, her mother is a. We call them morticians. They're. They do embalming there. That's what they call them, embalmers. And she says that every single human being has like a black tar like liquid that's kind of throughout the body that can. Can be looked upon as foreign matter. Like. So we think like I did, I. I've done people who've had 40 day juice fast, and they start coming in once a week and then twice a week and three times a week until finally the last week of that fast. They're doing daily colonics and the last three days of their juice fast. Those three colonics produced the most waste. Gil always talked about this. And the reason that happens is because we went for so long without the input of a food. Right. When we first learn about this, we all point to breakfast, the break fast. Right. When we're not breaking a fast, we're just telling the body, go deeper, go deeper, go deeper. And what Eric always said, be careful of long fast, because we can fast the body to health or fast it to death. So this is where knowing the right amount of peroxide, knowing how to transition from standard American to raw food, or you know, like I used to make an example, if a building is all the different diets, the ground floor is the standard American, the top floor is the raw food vegan diet. Like the elevator stops at every floor, stop at those floors, you know, go gradually, don't go boom, you know, but all that, you know, so the cleaner we go, the deeper we go. And then often we feel like, oh, I'm stuck. And what we have to then figure out is, well, what's next? What do I need to do differently or give up next in order to peel that next layer off? But you'll vouch for this as well. The scariest thing about this work is in order to fully achieve deep tissue cleansing and cell contraction, in order for that to happen, we have to get a bit frighteningly thin temporarily. And then we get a more healthy, robust build when the tissue has oxygen rich blood as opposed to gas rich blood. So it's a difference. And in our youth we could do anything, eat anything, not even go to the gym and still look presentable, look fine, even look healthy. But it's after we leave that period and, and aging really starts to show if we're not taking care of our physical body. And in my opinion, it's, it's all, there's no one and not the other. You can't, you can't just fix your physical body. Everything's going to start to bubble up and shift and you know, you're going to have to meet it, see it all, you know, and deal with it all. [00:41:14] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. Right as you, right as we get older, we can't hide from anything. We have to get into the shadow. We have to pull back the layers of our belief systems and our patterns, our stories, fantasies, illusions, all of it. [00:41:26] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:41:27] Speaker A: It's easier when the physical is open and clear because you're not battling your instrument, your human living instrument being blocked. We have a much better sense of humor around these things that we've been buying into our whole lives and letting go of them when we've come to this place of ease and happiness in ourselves. [00:41:46] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:41:48] Speaker A: So please go. [00:41:51] Speaker B: I was gonna say it's interesting. Even in a colonic, I, I see people like, they come in and they're having a really bad day at work or at home or whatever, you know, life. Right. And missed this train and got splashed by a taxi. Yeah. And they're on the table and they're. You know, and nothing's happening. Nothing's releasing out of their body. And finally they stay something that allows them to let go. Right. And finally they just, like their whole body exhales. And then. And then the treatment kicks in, and all of a sudden all this waste comes out. You know, they finally get to, like, the boss that they can't stand anymore, you know, whatever, you know, and the minute they touch on it, it shifts in them. So I think it's all constantly playing with each other. All the different bodies or planes that we are, the spiritual, the energetic, the emotion. [00:42:49] Speaker A: And these pressure points that you're describing that came to you through the ayahuasca journey or post. Ayahuasca journey. Do you want to share anything more about that or do you. [00:42:58] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I had this client who. She was a very, very interesting woman. She had. She looked super, super healthy. She was also young, like 29, 30 when I met her. This is now, I want to say, maybe eight years ago or something. Eight, nine years ago. Right around the time of. Right before COVID and then just after. But she was very sick. She had. She couldn't wake up in the morning, and her legs felt like cement, and one thing after another. And her colonic seemed to take forever and literally took more than two hours at points. And I mean, insane. And like, a lot of clipping the tube and just letting her sit because so much would happen that she would have these long periods of feeling, like something was. She could not get off the table. So one day, I'm trying to figure it out, and we. When we met, we became instant family. It was very strange how it was like we knew one another very, very quickly. Like, literally by the middle of the first colonic, we were. We were close. Like, we were close friends. It was very strange. And by the third or fourth treatment, she comes in and she's like, I'm going on. On vacation. I'm about to get. My. My boyfriend's going to propose, and I. I think I'm going to get married in a year. You have to make me well. And I'm like, all right, we'll talk about it. So we're in the middle of that treatment, and at some point, she's on her left side. I'm turning her back and forth to move the gas, and I kind of lean on her hip with my forearm. And I'm like, we have to figure something out. I can't keep doing more than two hour colonics. This is insane. And as I'm leaning on her, I kind of shifted and my elbow kind of hit like, right the soft part of the hip. And all this gas came out and I was like, oh, that's interesting. And I kind of pressed again and in sync, it came out again. And I'm like, oh. I said, you want to try something? And she was like, whatever you can do to get this stuff out of me, let's try it. And literally calves, ankles, thighs, hamstrings, rib cage in between the ribs, up in the trapezoid and the shoulder blade. I mean, so it became clear to me that pressing on the body, which stores trauma or stores stuck energy or whatever, that just by pressing in any real part, like wherever the body, you know, stores something, you might find it. So it's really just like, kind of like, you know, it's not so specific, but there are certain spots that seem to work with a lot of people, but I kind of go in and out of doing that work. Like, if the treatment really needs it, I might do that. But it could be a lot for the client. It could be a lot for, for them to process because as you know, you release the, the waste, the old stored up waste. You know, not only is the bloodstream moving and getting to its better place, but your energy frees, your emotions might free a little bit. Like, I've heard people, I've seen people cry on the table. Somebody was getting the treatment with Joyce one day, and the woman was balling her eyes out. She's like, I felt that stuck for 30 years. I can't tell you the relief I feel right now. You know, that's what this work is. It's. It's not just one thing. You know, I joke and say it's the one real biohack, but it's the, it's the, it's the light. It's. It's true. Life hack [00:46:53] Speaker A: truly is. And I mean, right. All that emotion is. I, I like to say, like, I don't have to take yesterday into tomorrow because of the way I live, you know, Because I know that the stress and the stuff I have to deal with on a regular basis because, yeah, we feel the ease inside, but we're still fielding all the harassment of life on a regular basis. And, you know, and so I get to like, I, I don't have to bring that into the next day. And I can't imagine. I wouldn't want to. I wouldn't want to be here and live in this realm if I couldn't not carry yesterday into tomorrow. So I just. Again, that's part of what my constant gratitude is about. It's just, even. Just that emotional aspect and knowing that all the we. And we've all experienced so much trauma. This, this world does. It's like, it just. It's like a. It's a trauma factory. So whether we had textbook trauma or not, it's. [00:47:46] Speaker B: We're. [00:47:46] Speaker A: We're all. And so to have the option to release it. And of course, everything goes back. Our English language always refers to having a gut sense of things or what's your gut intuition? And how can you even have that? I like to call it the oracle. How can your intuition even work if your gut is full? And everyone talks about gut health now, kind of like you said, biohacking. It's like, well, the gut isn't just the gut. The gut becomes the whole body because all that is in the gut is permeating through the porous organism. So once the drops for people and they start to realize that what they're talking about, gut health really is the leaking of all that waste throughout the body and the whole body is turned into the gut, then they'll start to know what they have to do. It's interesting to walk around with this knowledge and obviously to be in a state of gratitude for it and to be living it. And yet despite that, despite getting the word out, you working with so many clients over the last 30 years, me having the reach I've had, it's still this niche almost. We don't want it to be a secret, but it's remained. I'd love any thoughts you have on that because I find that really hard to get my head around too. [00:49:09] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a great. That's a really great insight and question. You know, it's funny because, like, someone wants to lose weight and wait, I just have to shoot that thing in me and, well, now take a pill and I'll lose weight. Yeah, but you might lose muscle, actual muscle tissue. Or, or you, you might break down your connective tissue and you might age yourself rapidly, you might grow your cancer cells, but I'll lose weight, you know, so why this is niche is because I believe unlike most of these fad diets that are around, and anyone can call the vegan diet a fad diet, but it's. It's niche because what this requires is real commitment, right? Like, people say it must be so difficult to eat the way you eat. And I'm like, it's not difficult at all. In the beginning, when a week ago I ate meatballs, it was hard for me to look at meatballs and not eat meatballs. And as I got further away from it, sometimes the want to eat the old foods, the pizza and the lasagna. Grew up in, you know, an Italian American household, so, like, I missed all that food. So then it was difficult. It took a lot of discipline and I think to go from the standard American diet and give up foods you love and are comfort comforting, you know, it can be very difficult and very challenging. So in other words, if someone thinks they can lose weight and improve their mitochondria and, and fix their gut health and do it all with pills and powders and now hypodermic needles, which just completely blows my mind that this is what people are willing to do. But. But to me, it's like this. What, what we're talking about to actually heal the body and be healthy is the work. It's actual work. It's not, oh, I'll just add these pills and be fabulous. This is like you're going to give up foods you've loved to eat your whole life, but, you know, don't serve your health and vitality and most certainly not your longevity. Right. Doesn't serve your gut health. So you're going to give a lot of those foods up. You're going to find, you know, where in the spectrum of the diet you're going to go. Like, you know, not everyone's going to go raw food, vegan or vegan at all. So if you're going to have fish, you're going to have a salad, fish and veggies. You know, all the rules, right? But. But this is work and all the other stuff really isn't working out. Going to the gym, you yoga, Pilates. Yeah, absolutely. Soul cycle, whatever your thing is. Absolutely. Runners, swimmers. That requires work. It's probably my biggest challenge is getting myself back to exercise. But now that I lost 95% of the weight, I'm like, okay, I can move again, you know. But anyway, that's my answer. You know, I think this requires, you know, lost and people are uncomfortable with loss. Right. You got to be willing to give up the big, indulgent, crazy meals. Like, if you look at the. What's advertised on tv, I don't have regular tv, but I remember, like, the last thing I saw on a TV commercial was a pizza pie. They made that didn't only have cheese all over the top, but it was in the crust, around the edge of the pizza, the cheese was. And now the whole layer in between was cheese. So it's inside, outside in the crust. And I'm like, this, this is what we push. So to give up this, this is like giving up drugs to people. There's emotional attachment to comfort foods. There's numbing with this food. People don't have to like, listen. You get into this lifestyle, you're going to feel things you might not have felt before because you're not going to have the obstruction in the gut really numbing the clarity of what the feelings really are. You know, things do shift. The body shifts, the emotions shift. You know, and if people are doing, you know, a lot of people are into microdosing, you know, psilocybin and bringing in all these other things that shiftings. And, you know, this work requires deep self reflection on some level and, and a reckoning with how I truly want to live. And at one point I was just like, I'm, you know, that whole old, I'm sick and tired of being sick. And I was done, I was done being sick. I was done relying on doctors. Like, it's great to be. So I turned 60, I'll turn 64 this October. And like, I never go to doctors. I never take a pill of any kind, Tylenol, none of that crap. I, I, I, I don't pay for health insurance because I don't believe in it. Why am I going to pay into an institution for a place I never go? Like, literally, if, if something grew and, or, or something stopped working? Because all right, there's a problem. I'm jumping right into hardcore seven day a week colonics and juice fasting. I'm going to start with like a seven day juice fast, colonics every day, still in the bentonite. You know, go deep, go deep, deep, deep. If that doesn't fix it, then I'm gonna go. Not to the doctor. I'm gonna go, it's okay. Like, I'm not. That's the other side of a lot. I mean, when, when I first met Gil, we would be like, Gil would be like, if I don't live to 120 years old, I'm gonna be pissed. And we would laugh our asses off. And philosophically, I don't know that there's value in that. But I do think that if I need radical surgery or some kind of drug treatment in order to stay alive, I don't think I want that and I feel okay with the next step because I don't believe it's over. I believe we're eternal and all that. So I'm not, you know, I'm not like, oh my God, I must cling to this one and only life, you know? [00:55:32] Speaker A: Anyway, no, no, I. I share your perspective. Wow. So, okay, so just to jump categories, I know people are interested in water quality, and I want to preface this by saying I personally have never used a filter. People often ask about that and they're concerned. I have a theory around that. I think it's because the bowel is all about release, so whereas the small intestine is all about absorption. And so what you drink does have to be super pure because it's all really readily being absorbed. When we get to the tissue of the colon, I think it's more expellatory. Maybe it's just not pulling things in the way it would in the small intestine. I really have no other explanation for it because I'm so hypersensitive to everything else. I can't walk through department store and not feel disgusted by the perfumes and the fragrances, go into a normal hotel room and not be put off by what I'll pick up from the chemicals. I have to immediately open the windows, open the curtains, get, you know, I tell them not to spray the rooms, but I can take in all this water, bicol irrigation and, and it be unfiltered water. [00:56:38] Speaker B: Yeah, you make a great point about like, you know, it's expellatory and if there's a lot of waste still in the colon, there are things that can kind of get stuck behind or, you know, be, you know, become part of the poop that's in there, that's not leaving or let's say there's some kind of bacteria or something in the water, it can, it can latch on. Right. Do I think that's like a real concern, a real worry? No, not really. Because the whole beginning from 95 until 2007, I. Nothing was filtered. You know, nothing was filtered. It just was what we had. And then when I opened up release being, it was a commercial space and you know, people coming into the space, they want to see a filter filtration system. And, you know, I'm like, I'm fine with it. Like no big deal. From a business perspective, it's anything other than, yes, we have a filter, yes, we have something that sanitizes the water. You're safe. Is it, Is it absolutely the most critical part of a System. Not. Not for health. No, because, like, again, look what's in the colon already. The stuff that when it leaves the body, we're very quick to flush it, and we don't want it hanging around, you know, I mean, that's the truth. The. The drinking water, the microplastics. Like, yeah, all these things matter, and they really do matter. I don't want microplastics in my body doing, like, you know, God knows, Watson, my hormonal system, the whole endocrine system, I don't want that. But a lot of what they say just like, well, that's an incurable disease, or you have that and that's it, you know, take this medicine. Well, we'll help you with the symptoms, but that's all we can do. All this kind of talk is in the absence of colonics, juicing, eating foods, and digestible combination. Once we add this lifestyle into it. I don't want to hear any of this nonsense about, oh, it's incurable. Like, my. My dad, in 2013, was diagnosed with lung cancer. No, the year before. Lung cancer. And they saw this little thing, and, all right, we got to take it out. And by the time they went to take it out, it became the side. It was like the head of my finger versus the size of a small plum. And it adhered to his spine. So when they cut him open, like this little bit, they saw we have to do a bigger operation, close them, open them up, big smile, close on his rib cage, and took it out when he came out, you know, we went to see the surgeon after he was in the hospital. Surgeon was like, I want you to see these oncologists. My father was like, absolutely not. My dad was not into health, not even remotely. You know, he liked his alcohol his whole life. He lived a very, very hard life. Ate steak for breakfast, like, zero attention to any of it. So he refused the oncology treatments because he saw what it did to family members, wanted nothing to do with it. We're driving home, and I say, I agree with you 1000%, but you're going to do what I tell you. You're going to take my medicine. And, you know, Lower east side are kind of a tough guy, you know, he's like, oh, yeah? What are you, a doctor? And I'm like, nope, but you're going to listen to me, because you once said if you got sick, you would. And he said, all right. I said, you're going to drink vegetable juice every day or as often as physically possible, and you're Going to put salads before you cooked food, you're going to. And I said other things and he said no way. He didn't give up red meat, but he didn't eat a lot of it. He ate fish, he ate some chicken. But he was a small eater. My dad, he never is never a big eater. And he drank, he made and drank vegetable juice for, for about three years. And my aunt, his sister, they lived in the same building, two, two floors apart, their apartments were. And he would make the juice and run up, run her a glass up, and the two of them would drink their vegetable juice. Now my, my aunt who had breast cancer had received chemotherapy. My dad, he never did any of that stuff. And my dad lived seven years cancer free. My aunt, my aunt didn't make it. When her cancer returned, she succumbed to the illness. And that's kind of the way the chemo thing goes, sadly, because it prevents the peptides, it thickens the cell walls and the peptides can't penetrate the cells and make them normal again. And then those cells just keep dividing and reproducing until the cancer takes over fully. And they're unstoppable by the conventional treatments. So my dad, he just put chlorophyll in the form of fresh, fresh juice in his body every day. And what most people don't know, we say green juice, green juice. What's green juice going to do? What's the big deal about green juice? The big deal about green juice is chlorophyll and hemoglobin are nearly identical on a molecular level. And when we take in chlorophyll, the body just converts it to hemoglobin very easily. It's a blood builder. The more hemoglobin in the blood, the more oxygen available the blood is. The more oxygen available the blood is, the more cancer resistant the blood is, the more illness resistant the blood is. So that's how my dad lived. Cancer free for seven years. And guess what killed him? Covid. He got Covid and eight days later was dead. But he stopped juicing. And in his 80s and he was 80 years old, he went back to having vodka after lunch and just ruined his health. And then Covid came and gone. Eight days. [01:02:29] Speaker A: Okay, so theoretically going to continue to work indefinitely. If he had let it. [01:02:34] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, you know, he, he might have seen a few more years, but he didn't want them. He was done. He was. [01:02:43] Speaker A: What a story and what a great explanation of the blood, the hemoglobin, the chlorophyll, the Oxygenation, the being cancer resistant due to that is so beautifully articulated. Tom. Thank you. [01:02:55] Speaker B: Thank you, thank you. [01:02:57] Speaker A: Well, I would love to speak a little bit about the, the putrefactive and post putrefactive waste. I have, we have a few, few members who are in phases where there is so much leaving and they're just like beside themselves. And you know, a lot of that sort of interrupt this kind of power in the tube as well as very, very thick, that hockey puck like matter that sort of, I call it almost like scabby like matter that really can block the speculum and things can get messy and maybe to put them at ease and to shed a little light on just how this can happen, why it happens and when it happens in the process. I know that you helped me through a lot of that. I remember many sessions where that was the case for me when you were treating me and just. Yeah, I'm sure you just see so much of it and would love you to speak about it. [01:03:58] Speaker B: Yeah. You know, so it's funny how the body works, right? Like, you know, we use the bathroom every day, whether it's once or more, you know, a day or every other day for a lot of people, every two. And we see what comes out and we think, well, that's it, that's what comes out, you know, and then we get into this work and we have those experiences like, and there's a few of these kinds of experiences. The hockey puck or the hockey puck, I think you called it, right, the hockey puck is, is that it's potentially post putrified or just between the two, where the black liquid, that almost like it's so black, you think you see silver in it, like blacker than black, right? When that liquidy black stuff comes out, that could just be putrefied waste that's been in there long enough. It's gotten super, super dark because it's so concentrated it's being dried out by the body and managed. I mean that's the goal of what it's doing, right? And then there's the hockey puck stuff, the rubbery, the hard, right. That's more towards the post putrefied. But the real post putrefied, if you really see deep, deep, old, old beyond, you know, putrefied matter, it loses the black. It starts to go white again. Like if you see dog poop out in the street, that's been in one spot in the grass and it's not gone away after about a week or so, 10 days, it goes white, right? Because the organic matter starts to, you know, go away. And I don't know where what's happening in the body, but I've seen grayish white matter come out of me and clients. So a. The, the really unpleasant, really deep, really almost aggressive releases where. Yeah, the interrupters. I love, I love that you brought that term in interrupting the treatment to sit on the toilet because it can't pass otherwise. This is the goal of a work. This is like celebrate that it's. It can be hellish, it could be uncomfortable, it could be difficult and challenging. But this is the goal because once we do that enough times, we have sufficiently gotten to a place that our health never would have achieved, never would have attained with that stuff in it. Because the vital energy that should be going towards keeping us up, bright, alive and vital is, is. Is sort of the doorman holding the crowd back. You know, it's just putting all its energy or a lot of its energy into. I got this. You go, go ahead, go to work. I got this. And you're dragging ass, going to work. But when we, when we lose this level of material from the body, we return like you had said earlier, we return to youth. We return to a place where we don't. Because I would argue that we would definitely do three digits and rarely look a day over 50 at 100, if we just always kept the colon 100% clear. Like we would be unrecognizable as a species. And this is where Eric would do this thing where he would cut into his arm. Do you remember this passage? It's either in rational fasting, I think it's irrational fasting, where he was on nothing but juice. So what he would do is he would go super, super clean on just liquids like the pressed juices. And he was literally pressing and drink just that grape juice, whatever, cut into his arm and claim that it would just heal right before his eyes wouldn't bleed, no liquid would come out and it would just heal. And then he would eat fruit and he would cut his arm and it would heal, but it would take a little bit longer, but it would heal pretty quickly. And then green leaves and maybe a just a touch of blood, like, like one little dot, but nothing. And then it would still heal. And then he would bring in the squashes and the more cooked vegetables and then a little bit of blood. And by the time he got to potatoes, regular blood. And by the time he got to me, he was profusely bleeding. And then he reversed the whole process and watched the, you know, now this is saying this stuff out loud. You might even edit this out, because it's nuts. It's nuts to even consider this. But just as an abstract example, even if we don't want to believe that that is true, it is a brilliant way to look at what an unencumbered body can do. Like, an unencumbered body can live illness free. Can. Can slow down the aging process to an absurd degree. Especially if you. If you really, you know, like, you look at Gil, right? Like, Gil, he never went back and he never drank, period, right. So he. He didn't have any kind of going back and doing that. And he's always. I run into him down in the East Village when I was there, and we're online, and I have avocados and limes in a bag because that's what I didn't have at home. And what does Gil have in his hand? One head of organic romaine lettuce. And I go, dinner? He goes, yep, that's what the man eats, you know, but when you look at him, you see the difference in the lack of encumbered encumbrance. Like. Like he's. He's healthy, he's bright and he. And the light is there, right. And he's thin. He's a pretty thin man, but he's always been that way. But, you know, I always tell people, like, don't assume what you think you see, because if you. If you remember, if you grab Gill here, he's a muscular. And is. He's a muscular man and his muscles are dense. He's not like a frail dude by any stretch. It's an interesting thing to see. And that's the other thing is, can. And I'll stop ranting. Can especially men still have enough of a build on a vegan diet, you know, and we've seen the exercise, those. I forget what they talk about. What's the name of that movie with all the crazy athletes? I forget they're all vegan. But it's the other thing, you know, And I truly believe that when we empty the gut enough, the muscle tissue is healthy to do what it has to do, almost regardless of age. [01:10:56] Speaker A: Absolutely. I've had male clients who've lived this lifestyle to a T. And it's just really exemplify that. Absolutely. [01:11:02] Speaker B: Right. [01:11:02] Speaker A: Yeah. And also, you take into consideration the fact that, I mean, if you're living in New York like you and Gil, you're not even getting the benefit of living in the light. Like, if you. If you were taking your lifestyle into the tropical environment, like, I Have here in Florida, it would be completely next level. So the fact that you're doing as well as you are in New York City, that's a huge testament. [01:11:23] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, you know, I do, I do the opposite of most people. When the sun becomes available, you know, I'm out in the sun, of course, I put zero on my skin. And people don't get that either. You know, don't you use sunblock? I'm like, why would I want to block out the thing that, you know, literally powers and gives life to this planet? Like, why, what, what are you thinking? And that was the thing. An early concept I learned from Gil is that if the gut is full, the sunburn becomes very real. I don't burn. I could spend three hours in mid New York. I mean, look, I was in the jungle in, in Peru, and there were some days where that sun was like, it's 98, 99 degrees, 102 degrees in the jungle, and I'm sitting out in the sun. And people like, same thing in Hawaii, you know, going there for these retreats and just being in the sun, being on a boat, on the rivers, you know, the smaller rivers that go off. The Amazon, sun beating down nothing on my skin. Zero burn. And people don't get that. You don't burn when you don't have a lot of waste, that the sun is going to draw through the skin. And finally, on that topic, what people don't understand about the skin, it's not just to hold the body together. It's a, it's an elimination organ. That's what the skin does. So disruptions of the skin are internal, not external. And disruptions or, or, or, or irritations and inflammations of the skin from the sun is a sign of what's being drawn out of the skin being problematic, not the sun. Because why don't I burn anymore? You don't burn, I'm sure. [01:13:07] Speaker A: No, I, I, I'm, I'm in the sun all the time. But yeah, but I think the, also the quantity, the increase in heavy metals and the forever chemicals and everything, I think the sun is burning those things and that's burning. It's yeah, of course, bringing the magnetism of bringing the deeper cancers and things to the surface for. Yeah, cleansing as we understand it. Absolutely. Okay. I want to, I want to make sure that this question was answered because I think a lot of people will be so interested in what you were talking about with the post putrefactive and everything leaving and why it is so magical when you have Those interruptices, when you have that speculum that's completely overwhelmed, that it can't stay in, it has to leave and then that matter has to leave and then we can go back to it. But if that's happening for a prolonged period and the body is just so readily giving that waste up, it's so getting the message and doing its job of releasing on a daily basis. I mean, some of these individuals are irrigating their colons every day and they're having so much matter leave, going over an hour in their sessions with their enlightener and huge eliminations and it's just like pouring, pouring, pouring. The tube is full like for the majority of the time and. And you know, and they're feeling like they're feeling their vibe rising, you know, so they know they're getting better. But at the same time it just feels like, you know, when is this going to end? [01:14:38] Speaker B: You know, it's funny, I've had people say like, when's this going to end? Or is it only gas? Or, or they complain about the difficulties of the diet or whatever. And I use this example of like you're in a desert and you find water and now you want to complain that there are no glasses like you found in this work. The. The answer. You found the answer. The answer to get being always ahead of the eight ball, always in the game to the degree that you're riding the wave. You're not paddling to catch the wave, you are riding the crest of the wave and you're kicking ass, right? To use the gill phrase. But when that is happening, what, what people don't get is it's like there's the gettable, there's the ungettable until the gettable is gotten. And then the ungettable you're gonna need a little bit of help with. That's where the food grade peroxide. And maybe after we peel away enough layers, we go a little psyllium bentonite, right to start to pull out even just the putrefied matter. But then the totally don't even think about it. Ungettable stuff to leave. And when we get to that by way of psyllium bentonite, you know, hardcore fasting, hardcore raw food, vegan diet, like just consistent, consistently living the life so that we're not re reintroducing the clogging materials, but only the cleansing, which by the way, great way to look at food. It's either clogging or it's cleansing. And that's. It's one way to look at It. But. But once we get to the point where we're actually moving that waste, Celebrate. Celebrate. Because Eureka is the only thing I don't. I don't care if it takes three months of every single colonic is an hour and a half that's happening. You will get to the other side and you will feel like Gandhi. Like, you will feel like. Like when I look at my, my. My past, you said, don't bring the past into today. Right? Like, like my teacher in plant medicine would say, don't bring suffering into your daily practice, which is to bring the past, right? Because our suffering only comes from what has already happened, right? So. So, so for me, it's in the removing of the past that allows. And that's what all that stuff is that we get enough of that history out and we literally restore every, like, all the systems in the body. Like, okay, this is where, like you could even look at it. Like, it would say, problems in the heart. Shit in the heart. Problems in the lungs. Shit in the lungs. Like, you know, in the brain. It's everywhere, right? So when that stuff is coming out, celebrate it. Because it won't be forever. And there will be a point where you'll be like, wow, I missed those days where that super hot black liquid gold would come out of me. Like, my experience with that happening the first time in a self tree, Gil had that caused that to happen numerous times for me. But I was doing a self treat and I had all this pressure in my head and I felt awful. And I'm on the table at Chakra 17. So this is in the. In the mid 2000s, and I do a hold and I let go and it was like a gunshot. And literally the color black, pitch, pitch dark black, but liquid just flying out of that tube. And it seemed like it was going on for 20, 30 seconds, just never ending. And I was like, wow. And the only way I could describe the feeling was from the very top of my head. The pressure began to do this. And as. This is a crazy way, but as it was leaving my body, I felt like now where it was and no longer is. Is silver glitter. Like, I literally felt the vitality and the aliveness of that moment so powerfully. I was just like, that was it. You could not shut me up. That's when I became a zealot, leaning towards an ass. You know, like, I just never shut up and. And wouldn't leave people alone. And now, now my attitude is, I don't care what you do. You could, you could literally eat your Slippers, for all I care. It's not my business, like, you know, but if you ask me, I'm happy to talk about it. But, like, I've also learned that people want the shortcut, and perhaps that's somewhere in this work. Like, this work isn't a shortcut. It's a fast track, but it's no shortcut. It's. It's. It's hardcore. [01:19:34] Speaker A: It's a great way of putting it. It's. It's a fast track, but not a shortcut. I love that. [01:19:38] Speaker B: Yeah, it'll. It'll get you. It'll get you in the work very quickly. But. But once you're there, it's like, okay, you know, grab. Grab a shovel, you know, and start digging, you know, or peeling away the layers and, you know. Yeah, but, yeah, it's. It's work, but it's beautiful work, you know, And I, you know, I've seen. I've seen people go from being fairly angry, aggressive, dark people to really becoming very personable and very loving as they go through the treatments, from beginning of treatment to end of treatment, you know, but there was a man who used to come in, and I think you pretty much know his daughter. And I'm not going to say the name, but he would show up to my door at Release, and I would open the door and he would barely say. He would just be like. And I'd be like, oh, yeah, come on in. You know, And I. I picked up on something with this man, and I was like, I'm. I'm not. I'm not going to be intimidated by that grimace of his, you know? And, you know, and since I knew his daughter well enough, I thought, I'm gonna have some fun with this. So next time I knew it was him, the knock comes on the door. I open the door and I go, sunshine. And he laughed, he giggled, and I immediately went, I got you. And once I saw the crack in the armor, I. I just would, you know, break his. Break his chops every time he came in. And after a while, he was sitting around talking to everyone in the waiting room, not sitting there like. So that's what this work. This work is about hitting all the corners, like, all the different. Like, you know, when we get rid of all the muck and all the. The. The hidden, dense, clogging waste residue that's left behind, you know, birthday cake after. Birthday cake after pizza, if the bagels and beer. And, you know, after all that leaves it's. It's. It's a. It's a dramatic shift. It really is like night and day. So chug through the blackness. The goal is to get to the blackness and then get rid of it. And I'll tell you this, for all the years that I've been doing this work, when I went back and had to start doing the. The peroxide to get my breakthrough, what do you think started leaving my body again? All that putrefied matter, the liquid black, a little bit of the chunky black, But I still got the damage. I still, I look at myself and I'm like, look what you did. [01:22:25] Speaker A: You know, your body's still triaging. It's. It's not noticeable. But if, if you, you know, the body's going to get to everything in [01:22:34] Speaker B: time, but it doesn't even matter. Like, what matters to me is the, Is the inside. Like. Like what I feel, the peace I feel, the, the vitality I feel, right? Like, you know, I have friends in their 50s that need meds to control blood pressure or they use the cpap, right? The. For the, for the sleep apnea. When I was, when I was heavy, I started to have sleep apnea. When I gained the weight, I couldn't sleep on my back. I would wake up from not breathing. Like, literally starting to experience what everyone experienced. Like, and I think this helps in, in this conversation with your community a lot because, like, there's gonna be derivation, like, you know, there's no such thing as the perfect ride. We all go through it. We have too much of the thing we allow ourselves that we consider the indulgence. Or, or we get away from something that we know is really good. Or we had to travel, we had family stuff. Couldn't live the lifestyle the way we wanted to. You can go back. You can go back. There's a learning in it. Like, Like, Eric went from fruitarian to meet and back just to learn the healing capacity of the body. Like, I remember, you know, well, she went from like enormous juicing, crazy fasting, like, and then went to the complete other side. From what I understood, trying the protein thing. And that's knowledge. That's real knowledge. When you come across, when you go through all that and come to the other side. Now you're speaking from. I, I did both. You know, you live both ways. People. Like, how do you live that way without all these great foods? I'm like, I did that for 30 years, 29 years, whatever. I did that. Now I do this. I, I don't, you know, I'm not missing out. I've had all that Food. [01:24:38] Speaker A: It also goes to show that when. If we reintroduce the world's food and the world's lifestyle, we will have the problems of the world. And, you know, people will often say to me, oh, well, you're just made that way. Like, no, you have no idea, like, where I was when I came to the cleansing life and the body loathing I had and the issues I had. I remember, and I was only 25. I mean, now I'm 50. And what. What would it have been so like it. So it's not just luck. It's not that we have special genes or DNA. It's just. It is that the. It's just the cleansing work, it really, truly works. [01:25:15] Speaker B: You know, it's funny because there was a point where I was like, I think I might have to accept that I did so much damage. I can't go back now. Before I went to my. I don't know if it was the. The second or third trip to Peru to the jungle, I did 10 rounds of psyllium bentonite and still wasn't getting the full breakthrough I needed to get 10 rounds of cilium bentonite. I don't know if you ever did that work, but it's deep. It's super deep work. And I'm still like, going, what. What the hell? This stuff doesn't want to leave my body, you know? And you know what? It. You know what I recognized at my cleanest, I was able to pull my belly in, right? So if you were looking at me from the side, and this was my back and this is my ribcage, my gut would come in empty, right? I could pull it in. I could make the ridge in the middle like, I was empty. I hadn't felt that in. In those years, right? And then finally, after one of the colonics, I. I breathed in and I felt. All of a sudden, I felt my gut go in, and I was like, I forgot I even used to do that. And now that's a way of judging because I'm. I'm like, kind of teetering right in that space of empty again, where I can suck the gut in and feel like, oh, yeah, that's like, boom. That really pulls in. And it's not an ego thing. It's. It's almost like a barometer reading or a quantity reading of like, okay, yeah, I'm good. Like, and if I can do that, I might not get on the table that day, you know, Like, I'm empty. I'm good, whatever, you know? [01:27:00] Speaker A: But the importance of that Emptiness. That it isn't merely, you know, vanity. Legitimately making sure your mechanics are on point. If you want to live in a body that operates consistently to the perfection which was designed, you need that center to be empty. And that barometer, as you put, sounds to most people like, oh, you know, well, I mean, not that you, yours would, but like, if, if I were to say something that would sound like I had an eating disorder, but it's like that is what I want. Because I know that because of that, I'm not going to have dental problems. I'm not going to have headaches, I'm not going to have, you know, joint problems because I know that center is clear. My body can take care of everything else and I can be in an ecstatic state of living. [01:27:47] Speaker B: Right, exactly. You know, I remember another early quote that Gil claims is Hippocrates, but I've never been able to find the quote attributed to him. But it is early Greek medicine and the quote is, you'll know it immediately. Take care of the organs below the belly button and the organs above, above, take care of themselves. And that's why, you know, if you look at animals in the wild that truly just live their nature, they don't need to have blood tests or annual physicals or, you know, they just live their life. The gorilla lives its life, does its thing and lives its length of life, as well as the lion, the con, the carnivore, right. And, and, and aside, in this, people talk about this crazy protein eating stuff and I love to add to the discussion, which is really an argument if it's online, which I really avoid at all cost, the arguing, you know, health online. But on one of my TikTok videos where I went against protein powders, my most popular TikTok video, it went viral because I was like, protein powders are the worst thing for us. And, and when people started to talk about the importance of protein and the power of the carnivore and the king of jungle, the lion, I said, you know, there is a place where the jungle and the savanna kind of meet. The lion is on, this is on the savannah, the gorillas in the jungle, right? When the lion, on the rare occasion of the lion and the gorilla meet, the gorilla can grab hold of the lion, pick it up and throw it eight, nine feet away. And that thing. The only protein the gorilla eats is ants. So it's not protein giving the animal strength. The greatest dinosaurs, the brachiosaurus and the brontosaurus was 60 tons and they literally ate the leaves and the branches off of trees. Protein doesn't make strength. Nature, the, like living in one's nature without the obstruction of the modern diet is what gives us our full potential, our full capacity, our full strength. That's what makes us unstoppable forces of nature. You know, the lack of encumbrance and [01:30:09] Speaker A: that's which actually ultimately comes from light. I mean, you know, the 300 year old oak comes from the sun. It's, you know, it's, it's, it's. We're all, ultimately, it's all about light. So. Yeah. [01:30:23] Speaker B: And wherever a plant's light source is, it will bend and it will, it will seek that light. Like the, the plant will lean to where the light is so that life is seeking light. Get rid of the dark, murky stuff in the gut and it will be replaced with the, the light of vitality. Like it's, like it emanates. [01:30:47] Speaker A: Yeah. And you'll seek out different things to do with your life and your time and your, your actions and energy because you're going to be seeking, you're going to be seeking the light on all levels. You know, you restored, your faculties are restored, your antennas are restored. It's a, as you say, it is a truly beautiful process. And you and I both are, you know, hold it in such reverence and it is so special to be sharing this with you. And I hope there's, you know, we continue to do that. In fact, I was thinking, I know the right, the writing that you're referring to the blog post that you wrote, and it was for my original community back in like 2006 or something. So what I'd love to do is hunt that down. I know that we've got it somewhere and put it together with this, with this podcast interview. I think that'd be really big. I know there's a lot of, a lot of gold in there to, to share. [01:31:39] Speaker B: I wonder what my views were then. They're probably pretty, pretty close, pretty much the same. [01:31:44] Speaker A: But. [01:31:44] Speaker B: Yeah, that would be fun. Thank you. [01:31:46] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. Anything you'd like to add to close with? I mean, you've shared so much, but if you have any thoughts, anything you want to inspire audience with. [01:31:55] Speaker B: You know, I had, I had a discussion once with, I don't know if you know, Christina Pistone, she, she also brings a lot of this great information to people. People. And we were talking once about messing up in the diet and people like to beat themselves up. And to me it's always like, don't beat yourself up. Learn, like collect the data that you gathered, like I ate this and that felt like that or that caused me to have that. Whatever, learn from it and use it to steer the boat in a way that you want to steer the boat. And, and, and definitely, you know, go easy on yourself. And you know, I think this work is 100% about self love and about compassion for ourselves and empathy for ourselves and forgiveness. You know, don't judge the past. And just really, this work proves if, if someone's doing this work, they love themselves or they're trying to love themselves more. And that's why, just go with the flow and learn and go gently. And, and the last thing I'd like to say is I really want to thank Cindy Suarez, owner of dtx, for having me work out of her space. It is really delightful. Any New York clients that are here, there's. It's a lovely, lovely space. Or any New York people that are, you know, local, check it out. It's lovely. And yeah. So. And thank you, Natalia. I can't tell you what a pleasure it's been like just talking with you. And it's, it's a real conversation and that's kind of what made it feel really comfortable and easy to do. So thanks. [01:33:43] Speaker A: Oh, I loved every moment of it. And yes, anyone who's lucky enough to be either living in New York or passing through New York to get to see Tom and you will just. You're in the best hands. And I can speak from direct experience. And also Cindy and dtx, I mean, this is, this is the original crew. This is. These, these. Nobody knows they're doing more than Tom and Cindy. I don't know. Is Joyce there too now? [01:34:15] Speaker B: Joyce is living in Arizona. She's. She's gotten more into essential oils. She still does the lifestyle for herself, but doesn't give colonics currently, to my knowledge. [01:34:25] Speaker A: Okay. But yeah, to be able to see Tom and Cindy would just be like that, that giving yourself a true gift of self love. And I definitely, definitely recommend that so highly. And you can hear more from Tom there because there's no place to learn like right there on the table, frankly. [01:34:42] Speaker B: That's, that's the classroom. [01:34:44] Speaker A: It all goes down. [01:34:47] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [01:34:49] Speaker A: All right, well, Tom, it's been so special, so much love to you. Thank you for your time. [01:34:54] Speaker B: And thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much, Natalia. You too. Be well. [01:35:01] Speaker A: Lots of love. Bye.